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21.11.2007 07:39 | пишет Гостинец | ссылка

Почему же я не удивляюсь, видя как Ашманов в очередной раз дает самые большие числа по рынку?

28.11.2007 13:12 | пишет Jack | ссылка

Ашманов спиздит и глазом не моргнёт.

Ну какие на хер $90-110 млн - объем рынка оптимизации в Рунете ???

Развод лохов на бабки, с предварительным вешанием лапши на уши :-)

07.12.2007 13:17 | пишет Timur Aitov | ссылка

я вот что думаю про наш маркетинг в Интернете.
Одна фирма умело затаскивает клиентов на сайт (потом важно уходит к другому Заказчику)
Уже другая фирма - учит, как правильно торговцу организовать навигацию, предлагает дизайн и проч.
Третья фирма - предлагает органиазацию приема платежей
Четвертая -хостинг
Пятая - доставку, еще что-то и т.д.

Никто не предлагает комплексную услугу - хоть чем-то гарантированное увеличение продаж.

18.12.2007 18:54 | пишет Юрий | ссылка

гарантию дают токо когда закопают :)

Тимур, знаете в чем беда рынка? как раз в обратном - много кто предлагает все и сразу. Только специализированные конторы выживут. Это законы рынка.
Отвечать за все- значит про...ть все на свете. Надо быть спецом в своей одной-двух-трех нишах. В остальном - надо иметь хороших профи-партнеров.
наши рекламные агентства полного цикла придут и по кусочкам растащат западные специализированные монстры. уже пришли.

13.12.2007 22:13 | пишет Проф | ссылка

Тимур, а в обычной рекламе, не в интернете, которой сотни лет уже - в ней кто-нибудь предлагает гарантированное увеличение продаж? :)

18.12.2007 18:57 | пишет Юрий | ссылка

Проф, согласен. За продажи отвечает маркетинг заказчика. Он лучше нас знает свой рынок. Мы же - должны выполнить его волю. Это будет профессионально. а продавать гарантированно в инете и гуталин и женские трусы - мозгоф не хватит. Мы - продаем услуги, помогающие продавать заказчику.
в этом соль.

19.12.2007 00:46 | пишет Timur Aitov | ссылка

Мужики!

Я не против, чтоб заработать. И чтоб Заказчик, и его маркетинг отвечал.
Я как раз -- ЗА.
НО мне интересен процесс... Про него-то никто не говорит.
Что имею ввиду?

Как на самом деле клиент принимает решение о покупке?
Какие шаги делает? Ну, не каждый клиент, а так - хотя бы в среднем делает?
Ясно, что показать баннер, или загнать клиента на сайт- это все не дает очевидного следствия -покупки. Или хотя бы шагов, направленных именно к покупке.

Я много веду конференций, семинаров так уж вышло - не менее 2 раз в месяц.
Насмотрелся презентаций и про то, как сайт сделать, как клиента привлечь, как еще что-то на эту тему.
Везде и все компании -одно и то же говорят.
Ну нет реального покупателя за этими всеми растущими графиками посещаемости. Нет его мыслей, метаний, формирования модели покупки, сравнения, окончательно выбора...
Нет живых людей. А это скучновато.

ЗЫ
А то, что марктеинг от Заказчика пусть разбирается -- что, как и куда пришел - это я согласен.
Только надо не забыть занести этому маркетингу что следует. А то в следущий раз уже другому SEO придется оптимизировать.

11.01.2008 13:33 | пишет Юрий | ссылка

Тимур, С наступившим Вас!
Есть задача привести покупателя, а есть задача продать. Это все таки разные проблемы.
Голова покупателя всегда черный ящик.
Анализ поведения покупателя уверен, возможен в инете. Но стоить это будет гораздо дороже обычной оптимизации. Но опять же - это будет анализ. Поможет ли он продать - это как сработает маркетинг заказчика.

Задача оптимизации - "привести" и "обратить внимание". Не продать.
Реклама - информирует и располагает. Продает - маркетинг в целом.

Уникальность опимизации в том, что она может фильтровать трафик. Т.е. может не за ростом надо бежать. А за качество пришедших по запросам.

Мое мнение - задача оптимизации не продать. А создать условия для нужной информации - достичь покупателя. И сделать это в растущем ворохе Рунета все сложнее. И значит - будет все дороже.

Ведь интеу удалось то, что не может телевидение до сих пор - фильтровать контент по потребителям.

20.12.2007 10:21 | пишет Jack | ссылка

Тимур, привет !

Эти пацаны от интернет-рекламы хотят них...я не делать, а деньги грести лопатой, элементарный вопрос об эффективности рекламы ставит их в полный тупик, а конверсия с показа банера или клика по контекстной рекламе равна ноль целых х..й десятых, а это типа проблемы отдела маркетинга заказчика.

Как в том анекдоте про волка и зайца:"И на х...я мне такая самодеятельность(реклама) ?"

Если ROI(эффективность инвестиций) от рекламной кампании ниже плинтуса, то это прямые убытки !!!

11.01.2008 13:56 | пишет Юрий | ссылка

Джек, о какой лопате Вы говорите? сравните эти 80 млн с суммами рекламы на телевидении.
Я ушел в инет из традиционной рекламы. И говорить о эффективности рекламы в бумажных СМИ, радио и тв - простите еще более смехотворно чем о эффективности рекламы в инете.
Порядок сумм стоимости размещения полосы в любом глянце много больше чем средний бюджет оптимизации в месяц.
Не знаю что вы из чего конверсите, но есть неплохая статистика гугла по их директу.
Далее все от Ваших мозгов и задач зависит. Попробуйте получить такую же на размещение в глянце. В лучшем случае Вам дадут исследования Галлуп Медиа или статистику в какой киоск сколько журналов засунули.
Что касается вопроса эффективности рекламы - об этом ученые мужи целые книги пишут.
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